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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:18:00 -
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Cardval Simalia wrote:I always wondered how people got T2BPO's kinda sux knowing that most got theirs easily and now you have to pay them billions to get one. Also invention should be made to undercut the BPO to make it worth while to invent.
Never got a bpo from agent, I bought them all. I still buy them. When I started EVE, I bet that Tech 2 would be the future and soon started a POS network for T2 components wich extended to 35 POS in Alparena 0.1 system. I run that network from 2005 to 2007.
I made my wealth selling T2 comps to T2 bpo owners and started buying T2 ship bpos for myself. When invention was implemented I had something like 35.000.000 T2 components in stock, I made a killing by selling them at high prices to the new upcoming inventors. I bought more T2 ship bpos
I invented also and produced thousands of ships this way. I bought even more T2 ship bpos thanks to invention
What is killing invention now are not the T2 bpos but the moon material prices. When I made inventions I produced regularly from ME-3 T2 ship bpcs. Now you don't make a profit from ME:-1/ME:-2 because the wastage factor has become too expansive
It's fun for me to collect T2 ship bpos, there is nothing as expansive to collect in EVE, I don't care about titans and officer mods... it's even funnier to know that it bothers other players, I don't kill hulks to grief people, I buy and collect T2 bpos ! 
I'm bored to read these stupid "remove T2 bpos" threads, the hater posters don't even understand what they talk about, bad faith is everywhere in their posts
Inventors would better ask to implement the possibility to invent Adrestias, Vangels, Mimirs... I think it's very unfair that these wonders are so rare
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:02:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Bots exist lets keep them?
STFU
Next question?
Bots are against EULA. Compare what can be compared.
Anyway, reading your posts I see a general lack of sense, a will to judge from a very partial knowledge of EVE Online history and gameplay, and a dire misunderstanding of the game mechanics...
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:44:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:You think because T2BPO has been broken for a long time we should just leave it? Many things have been broken in eve and took years to fix. T2BPO is broken it always has been and one day it will be fixed probably when CCP realize what a terrible advert it is for the game and how it deters people from subbing further when they realize that T2BPO gifts get handed out by CCP to their pet players that negatively effect the way they play the game ie through invention
The people who rally to the forums to dismiss these threads are those who benefit from CCP's hand outs and they provide nothing but insults to defend T2BPO's. I don't blame them as it is really hard to justify the existence of these items and it takes no effort to bash them as they are so clearly broken, my first post in this thread provides these details.
This is you very own point of view. As stated before this a been debated FOR YEARS and things will not change, because the debate is over already. Clever and respected people (i.e : Akita T) have already posted on this subject and a consensus has been reached
You are alone thinking this way and whatever we could say to explain why you are wrong... well, there is no deaf as those who will not hear.
EDIT : please moderator, lock this thread for trolling
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:16:00 -
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The speech Brewlar Kuvakei, with its lack of argument with his accusations that are not based on anything concrete, with the generalization from a single case, with all its bad faith, with the stigma of a class of players according to their properties and how they have acquired, is a National Socialist speech (na-zi).
The Na-zi have installed this hate speech for years in Germany 30 years to prepare raffles and looting of Jewish property.
As a holder of T2 BPOs I am proud to be a Jew for Brewlar Kuvakei
The character "Brewlar Kuvakei" behaves like a Na-zi
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:45:00 -
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Morgan Dinn wrote:You and your **** card again :D
go away.
An inconvenient truth ?
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:34:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lara Dantreb wrote:The speech Brewlar Kuvakei, with its lack of argument with his accusations that are not based on anything concrete, with the generalization from a single case, with all its bad faith, with the stigma of a class of players according to their properties and how they have acquired, is a National Socialist speech (na-zi).
The Na-zi have installed this hate speech for years in Germany 30 years to prepare raffles and looting of Jewish property.
As a holder of T2 BPOs I am proud to be a Jew for Brewlar Kuvakei
The character "Brewlar Kuvakei" behaves like a Na-zi Relating the deaths of millions to our little irrelevant computer game hobby, you represent T2BPO well . Please continue hopefully in the next few posts you will earn yourself a ban.
The comparison ends at your speech and your smear method of course, I do not emphasis things like you are used to do.
"Why they should be removed and how", "easy solution to T2bpo issue", I am somewhat surprised that this type of semantics is still used to describe a community, even in a video computer game
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.25 08:51:00 -
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Hi guys,
I want to advertise this auction :
T2 BPO E.A.N.M. II - a quite good print
1) buy the print
2) produce items
3) ???
4) make Brewlar unhappy !
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:07:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:....
If T2BPO is so great please seed a bunch more
, oh wait CCP understands the error of T2BPO and no longer seeds them. If only they got off their ass and nerfed/removed the ones still in game to have lower stats than invented BPC's.
I believe it's your entire point : as you are too lazy or unimaginative to be able to afford one, or you want another seeding or you prefer they not exist.
I said unimaginative because you are still after interceptors which are not profitable to invent at this moment, which were profitable in the past, which are NOT popular hence the UNPROFITABILITY to invent them
T2 Bpos are still seeded, in the sell order forum. Watch there.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:15:00 -
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Another nice deal I wanted to show (another bpo seed in the sell order forum)
Cyclone BPO the best command ship
One day or another Cyclones may receive a buff to support the comparison with T3 counter parts
Cyclones gang bonuses are the most wanted : speed, disruptor,scramblers and webber range, and signature radius bonus
Quite a cheap deal imo
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:50:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Cool can I purchase it using research points? Oh wait no I can't then I'm not intrested. Oh wait can I get one from a dropped rat, eh no? OK, How about a dev just give me one you know just because?
Naw if I'm not going to be able to get these items through corrupt means or just plain gifted then I'm not really happy.
Otherwise you can follow the rules and purchase it with the isks you collected playing the game. (you pretend to be a trader, you should be able to)
There were at least 8000 T2 bpos seeded. (I don't know the exact number, if someones knows, please tell us)
What you speak of is a tiny minority. (let's say 50 bpos including Miner II bpos)
99,37% were acquired following the rules.
What you want is to change the rules using a fallacious argument and flawed cases.
Adeptio Gloriae ? lol pathetic puppet yeah.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:07:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Buffing invention run levels
This already happened in the last patch. Most people have chosen to ignore it in favor of crying about one thing or another because they're incompetent lackwits who don't know how to capitalize on opportunities. Coupled with the rapidly-falling decryptor prices, invention got a whole lot cheaper and faster in the last patch.
I missed something, what has changed exactly about invention mechanics with the last patch ? more runs ? cheaper datacores ? More decryptor drops ? I don't get it, please someone tell me.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:36:00 -
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Diemos Hiaraki wrote:I quit over this issue last year - 52,000 people logged in at the time. The last time I checked there were 26,000 people logged in now; the game is dying and T2BPOs are one of the reasons why people are quitting
OMG Eve is dying ! 8 years I read that EVE is dying in these forums ! It's a quite long agony...
Now who is really bitter ? vets or newcomers ?
This is the most pathetic argument to defend a thesis that can be imagined. Also this is only based on your perception and it is unfair to present this argument as objective
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:45:00 -
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Tadeo Musashy wrote:i would love to see a democratic vote on this issue - altho the outcome would be fairlly presumable... who else but the owners would support the BPOs further existance? and since they represent at best like 3-4%...
speaking as both bpos owner and 11 slots inventor / manufacturer my oppinion is bpos have to go
the debate shouldnt even go deeper into eco aspects as long as the entire bpos existance was biassed right from the start (including debatable seeding process - but even the "legit" winners gain the ownershp because of "luck"... and of course, last but not least, the most impotant argument IMO, the lottery removal has pushed the unfairness even deeper)
as for a decent and fair for everyone way of removal (of the bpos), i'd say a combination of the following 2 "tweaks" would do the job:
1st: the bpos should be replaced with some sort of "Alibaba lamp" which would soawn 1 single run bpc every (insert interval here) with "interval" determined by bpo type...
2nd: seeding some new decryptor types ment to improve the invented bpcs ME would greatly help the process...
or... for someone really interested to get rid of the problem, someone with virtually unlimited isk resources (someone who could actually "type" a few "0" more to a new created char's wallet), it would always exist the "buyout solution"...
bpo holders are the scapegoats of a minority of squeaky inventors. (those who are unable...)
The problem is the market competition. And for a manufacturer from T2 BPOS, there are 25 inventors.
If you are not able to understand it, waives any industrial project activity and any market, you ought to just kill npc in 0.0
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:31:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more.
I suspended 13 accounts and have not played EVE for 3+ months, and my 25 T2BPOs are taking dust unproducing. for 2 reasons :
- Diablo 3 (basic and fun, no headaches, no spreadsheets)
- Sheer amount of bad faith and stupidity from bitter complainers who don't understand the basics of the game and spend their time giving advices that nobody asked for.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:43:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO.
1) changing invention would not bring anything, except ruining the prices for decryptors/datacores/T2 Bpc and... final products
2) the guys who are in charge of industry in CCP are aware that T2 BPO and invention are fine and quite balanced.
3) you aren't CCP your point of view is narrow, you lack a lot of knowledge about how industry works, how markets works and you don't have the data and statistics as ccp have.
4) You just implicitly admited to be disturbed by "those players who purchased the right via bpo".
5) This discussion thread is sterile, you have nothing new to bring, except hammering the same things for months
6) to contradict what you claim about alleged loss of subscribers :
EVE Online Subscribers, from MMOdata.net
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.09.09 00:31:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Where are all these people I only ever see 29k to 32k except my 1k on at any one time? I think you're over estimating EVE's player base. Weekend numbers rarely rise over 35k at peak time nowadays.
it proves nothing except that you are limited by your perception, and that you talk about things without knowing. You're in subjectivity, not in the pursuit of knowledge, otherwise you would not dare to write as deeply stupid things : You are of the worst ignorants, of those who are satisfied by their subjectivity and who don't try to improve themselves.
Instead of worrying about you to improve things for others, you'd better worry about improving your own level of understanding of how things work
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.12 09:47:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:replace the t2 bpo with max run max ME of t2 bpc 'sof the same item
enough BPCs to have 2 year supply of what ever item the bpo was of
so if you have a ship BPC that takes exactly 1 day to make 1 you will get 365x2 BPCs with max ME ( and some PE I guess)
this will be fair to everyone who has the bpo, as they will at the very least have the items to make their isk back, as invention will never have perfect ME they will be getting profit.
the only way it wouldn't be profitable is if someone stupidly bought a t2 bpo for over 2 years worth of manufacturing.
Why replace the T2 bpo ? arbitrary assumption
Why 2 years supply ? arbitrary value
Why would this be fair ? It's not fair from the point of view of many ! arbitrary justice
Where have you seen a T2 bpo for less than 2 years worth of manufaturing ? ignorance
Why stupidly bought T2 bpo? bpo are traded following the rules of the game, their values are in accordance.
Finally, be honest and acknowledge that what is affected, it is the narcissism of some players who do not have these BPOS and not the production process of T2.
T2 Market is affected by demand, however you produce the items, if there is no demand, stuff won't sell at all. removing bpos, buffing invention will not change that.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:05:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:yea please show me a profitable T2 BPO that got sold for a ROI of 2 years...Avg ROI for modules is like 5-6 years when ships rarely getting sold for less then 8 years ROI. You can take any recent sold ship BPO`s as a example for that (scimitar, sleipnir, etc. etc.)
"2 years ROI for a T2 BPO" ... Welcome to Eve-Online.
Eventually you noticed that ppl pay for these BPO`s that much because they become that valuable as a collectors item. So it would just mean to take peoples hard earned collector items away, just because some ppl who cant be bothered to do some math are jelly and moan about stuff they cant afford.
T2 Ships that are used much are easy to sell, furthermore if they have no T3 counterparts. That's the case of logistic cruisers and transport ships. Thus having the bpo for something that will sell easily is valuable, hence the high prices for these bpo (last guardian bpo sold for 220 Bil isks)
To be noticed aswell that logistic cruisers are a lot produced threw the invention process, despite of the high productivity of the T2 bpo (around 50 units per month at a station). Because they are almost all the time in high demand and are primaried often
=> When a ship is in high demand, T2 bpos and invention coexist for the benefit of all producers.
=>=> once more, the true problem is buyer-side, buyers want sexy ships and will pay for them. It's not production-side : buffing invention, removing bpos will not improve the intrinsic quality of the product.
This topic from the beginning is a false debate with empty arguments and bad faith
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:44:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:It's a bit weird that you don't see how good idea it is. Because you're better player you are allowed to control how other players play the game.
Another false assumption in this thread : who is minding about someone's else business with this thread ? Those who claim to change arbitrary the rules, those who ask for the removal to control someone's else assets. No T2 bpo owner has ever whined about invention, because most of them are inventors also and know the ropes to make it a profitable business
Want to mind about T2 bpo ? : start to buy a few ones and start producing/selling your goods. Then you may have some feedback to publicize.
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Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.09.13 07:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I've heard that trying to do everything is bad for profit. Produce or sell, not both.
Point T2 BPO owners are making in this thread is that they want to get rid off inventors, because inventors lower their possible profit.
Invention is by CCP design to minor T2 BPOs profit : invention happily ended the times when cap recharger 2 worthed 20 Mil. Invention is an anti-trust process.
There is no problem with inventors, I invented and produced thousands of ships, meanwhile producing and selling from my T2 bpos.
You can't control an open market with T2 bpos : demand and speculation are stronger levers than T2 bpo will ever be
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